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artmen79
10.gif Hi to all

Dear Lia. Athena of this site))))(Η Αθηνά, κατά την Ελληνική μυθολογία, ήταν η θεά της σοφίας, της στρατηγικής και του πολέμου. ) Give to the people that it wants))) but....
but.... let each user could see detailed counting of vote.... who to whom gave the voice)))
this discussion is settled)))

Στον κόσμο υπάρχουν μόνο δύο πράγματα. Αλήθεια και δικαιοσύνη - Είναι η μεγαλύτερη δύναμη.
shaon007009
It's been very nice reading the new rules for TMC voting.. I just want welcome that.. Great step.. Hope hat will make TMC more exciting and provides excepting results to those who actually care for it.. Congratulations.. clapping.gif
iqbalhsn20
QUOTE (iqbalhsn20 @ Jan 5 2013, 02:20 PM) *
hi friends, i an a new themer. Best of luck to all. Thanks.

Hi lia.
I read the rules that only rising/
Certified/Gifted/Legendary
Temers can vote. Don't understand but why?
iqbalhsn20
QUOTE (taghytotty @ Dec 13 2012, 02:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Viola53 @ Dec 13 2012, 05:53 AM) *
Dear Lia! I am writing to you from myself and on behalf of many participants. We ask you to examine the question of whether to change the voting rules. In the wallpaper and STС rules are such that the vote can only be one who either participated in the competition, or who has a badge Temer - Only participants, Rising/Certified/Gifted/Legendary Temer'. Is necessary to protect the vote from random people.
It is unfair when vote in themes ones , who did not understand them.
We immediately see that goes vote not for themes, and for the authors. If friends want to support, let them also take part in the competition.


Totally Agreeeeeeeee wz Viola ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, That is really good for the competition.
iqbalhsn20
QUOTE (Galina53 @ Dec 13 2012, 05:20 PM) *
I want to express the opinion. You know that I am not able to be silent. laugh.gif

1. Objectivity in voting. Each author loves a theme, which he was made and by at voting will not choose the best theme, which will make a competition for its theme. Ideal variant - an independent expert appraisal, but it-not is real.

2.Friends. Very often voting shows that vote not for themes, and show voting sympathies and antipathies to the author of a theme. The more friends has the person, the has more than chances of a victory. On WPC very much watch that friends did not vote for friends and I know, what even there were disqualification cases for such voting. Offer VIOLA can help with small degree. People who not take part in competitions should not vote. Presence of 200 messages should not grant the right to voting. On WPC and STC have the right to voting only participants of the given competition and those who have signs .

3. Voting of the manager.Lia, i very much respect you, but in my opinion the person who considers voices should not take part in voting. I do not doubt your objectivity. But you too can have the sympathies and antipathies and your voice can change a course of events . Managers vote only in TMC and DC.

Everything that I have written it makes sense, if to consider competition, as to the present competition. To us AW always wrote that competition it not a competition, and possibility to show the skill, studies at other participants and cheerfully to spend time. If for my themes do not vote for any reasons my skill from it will not decrease. If there is a possibility something to improve in rules that voting was more fair it is necessary for making. If-is not present, let's cheerfully to spend time and not to pay attention to results. And let the friendship wins! grouphug.gif laugh.gif

Thanks for this great words.
I am agree with you. My friend.
irshadshalu
Is themers like me who havent rised up would be able to participate in tmc after new rules ? sad.gif
liapireas
QUOTE (irshadshalu @ Jan 5 2013, 05:55 PM) *
Is themers like me who havent rised up would be able to participate in tmc after new rules ? sad.gif




Sure you can ! smile.gif
irshadshalu
Thanks lia . I want to know about Badges in theming . when does someone gets a rising themer Badge . i dont find it anywhere . please give me the link .
smile.gif
liapireas
QUOTE (irshadshalu @ Jan 22 2013, 07:08 PM) *
Thanks lia . I want to know about Badges in theming . when does someone gets a rising themer Badge . i dont find it anywhere . please give me the link .
smile.gif



Theming badges and badges in general are given by the administrators
They are announced in the announcement thread (the first from above in mobile9 forum)

Check the thread for the frequently asked questions too, of how to be a rising, gifted ect themer
as well(it's difficult for me to write the link because I don't have access
to my pc right now, ..)
primavera77
I can't resist....
I wish my friend Thabull was here around to partecipate in this comversation, hahahaha.....
I'm happy about this new rule. I think it is really right .
But my dear friend Galina....Objectivity in voting? No way...
Sympathies or antipaties are part of the game too.
We are all only human being......

I'm not really a lot around, but what i see is high level of themes.
And i see wonderfull themes that winning.

Lia don't need my support, but i want to give her the trophy she deseve....
Since she arrived to TMC, this contest became a magic place.
I met her long time ago,when she was only themes creator. tongue.gif
Lia is an Artist ( with Big A) and then she is admin of tmc.
I like the idea that she is voting, i trust her judgment.

well i wrote too much already. time to open carbide and have fun.
byebye.gif byebye.gif byebye.gif byebye.gif byebye.gif


irshadshalu
@primavera ... Dear sis , you are right . Lia is a great themer and i think that she also can make a better judgement on themes . So my opinion is to give voting chance to lia . I know that iam not very experianced to give a suggetion , but i just said my opinion . I agree with other suggetions of our beloved Galina sis . smile.gif
kamrananjumsoj
please help me i can not edited my post in tmc trophy room is there any problem
irshadshalu
QUOTE (kamrananjumsoj @ Feb 19 2013, 08:18 PM) *
please help me i can not edited my post in tmc trophy room is there any problem

same problem for me also . I have reported it to lia
liapireas
Hmm thanks for reporting guys, I'm writing from my smartphone now.
I will take a look when I will have access to my laptop. I will inform you when I
Will have an update about this.. See you! byebye.gif
kamrananjumsoj
QUOTE (liapireas @ Feb 20 2013, 02:15 PM) *
Hmm thanks for reporting guys, I'm writing from my smartphone now.
I will take a look when I will have access to my laptop. I will inform you when I
Will have an update about this.. See you! byebye.gif

thanks for reply dear
kamrananjumsoj
dear liapireas still i was unable to add my Tmc Trophy Room entry please solve the problem
liapireas
QUOTE (kamrananjumsoj @ Mar 3 2013, 08:50 PM) *
dear liapireas still i was unable to add my Tmc Trophy Room entry please solve the problem




Well I don't know why you can't edit your post to be frank .... I just edited mine !
Can you get in touch with Patricia please ? ArthurWill's profile
Galina53
Hello,dear friends! I want to bring up a question on infringement of copyrights. Under each file on a site there is it

Disclaimer: This file is for personal use only. Please do not copy, modify, distribute or sell the whole or parts of this file without permission of the creator.

From Russian site to me have informed that there are themes with my icons.
I have found "author" of these themes on M9 . Profile hannaysharru. On my request to remove these themes the girl has answered with insults in my address also has blocked me. Now it has removed insults from my wall, but I have kept page. She does not think that steals my themes. Though this use of another's intellectual property without the permission of the author.




Example of use of my theme.








I give a screenshot Sis Contents. By means of this program this "author" alters another's themes.

I ask site administration not simply to remove my themes in which my intellectual property is used, but also to give the prevention to the girl that so to do is inadmissible! I have projects on all themes. Also I can give them. She alters not only my themes. I saw in hers gallery of an icon of other known authors.


Stolen Original
Stolen Original
Stolen Original
Stolen Original
Stolen Original
Stolen Original
Stolen Original

I want to know-that you think about it?
thabull
hi people
once again (after the results of tmc333) is very obvious that sometimes these results are unfair....... and i am talking about the fact that one of the winners didn't vote......
i know that he already gave notice about his absense (and i'm ok with that), but this doesn't change the fact that if he had voted, the results would probably have been totally different (he could even not take any of the top 3 positions).

i'm just having this talk here, not for the winner of tmc to "surrender" his medal... this would be very silly from my side and the winner's side since he already participated knowing that he would not vote...... (it's nothing personal with this m9 memeber. it's just that this case triggered the idea in my head)

but i'm writting to make a sensible suggestion..... when a participant notifies that he/she can't vote, then his/her entry will be valid, but will be starting the vote counting with -7 or -5 points depending on the number of the votes in each contest..... this way the voting doesn't really gets affected by the absence.....

i think it's a fair modofication..... don't you agree people?

what do you think Lia?
the same stands for the stc contests.......
thabull
hi people
once again (after the results of tmc333) is very obvious that sometimes these results are unfair....... and i am talking about the fact that one of the winners didn't vote......
i know that he already gave notice about his absense (and i'm ok with that), but this doesn't change the fact that if he had voted, the results would probably have been totally different (he could even not take any of the top 3 positions).

i'm just having this talk here, not for the winner of tmc to "surrender" his medal... this would be very silly from my side and the winner's side since he already participated knowing that he would not vote...... (it's nothing personal with this m9 memeber. it's just that this case triggered the idea in my head)

but i'm writting to make a sensible suggestion..... when a participant notifies that he/she can't vote, then his/her entry will be valid, but will be starting the vote counting with -7 or -5 points depending on the number of the votes in each contest..... this way the voting doesn't really gets affected by the absence.....

i think it's a fair modofication..... don't you agree people?

what do you think Lia?
the same stands for the stc contests.......
thabull
hi people
once again (after the results of tmc333) is very obvious that sometimes these results are unfair....... and i am talking about the fact that one of the winners didn't vote......
i know that he already gave notice about his absense (and i'm ok with that), but this doesn't change the fact that if he had voted, the results would probably have been totally different (he could even not take any of the top 3 positions).

i'm just having this talk here, not for the winner of tmc to "surrender" his medal... this would be very silly from my side and the winner's side since he already participated knowing that he would not vote...... (it's nothing personal with this m9 memeber. it's just that this case triggered the idea in my head)

but i'm writting to make a sensible suggestion..... when a participant notifies that he/she can't vote, then his/her entry will be valid, but will be starting the vote counting with -7 or -5 points depending on the number of the votes in each contest..... this way the voting doesn't really gets affected by the absence.....

i think it's a fair modofication..... don't you agree people?

what do you think Lia?
the same stands for the stc contests.......
Galina53
@thabull, hello,dear Alex! Unfortunately, because of bad knowledge of English language I have not understood that you offer. Therefore, I can write only the opinion. I completely agree that is not so correct when work participates in competition, and the person does not vote. It is natural, if Anu took part in voting, the result of competition would be another. In my opinion if the person knows that he cannot vote, it is not necessary to take part in competition. Participants vote for this work, he does not give voices to anybody. Conclusion one,if you can not vote-not participate. To warn about that you can not vote not enough.
thabull
hi galina dear wub.gif i totally agree with you, it's exactly what i said. you may not speak english that good, but your sence of 'justice' leads you in the right way........ what i suggested was this...... the person who participates but can not vote hould get a -7 points in his total number of votes. this way it's like he votes for 7 for all the rest. this way the final results are not affected.... for the rest it's like he/she didn't vote and for him/her the advantage of not voting is lost........
Galina53
@thabul, dear Alex! If to take mathematical calculations 7 points solve nothing. The person gives not 7 points in voting , and 28. If to take away from its result of 7 points he should not receive prize-winning places. And, if to assume that he will vote that who is in the list end, he remains on the 1 place. In my opinion of such situations, in general, should not be. Or they should dare in a private order. In this case, if Anu knew that cannot vote, it was necessary to remove work from competition or to ask the person to whom he trusts to vote from his name.

Results without voting of one participant can not be considered as the valid.

But this question was necessary for lifting, when Lia has given the message at a forum that Anu is released from voting. Instead of after results of competition have been informed.
thabull
as i said before galina, i totally agree with you.... in all points. and i don't want anu's win to be removed. Ijust want to make it fair from now on...... as for the calculation you make a mistake..... if anu had -7 points, he wouldn't have won........ and if the difference from the second was more than 7 points, then his votes wouldn't matter for his position. This is the general point in this case that the moderators want to make 'exceptions'. still the right thing is the disqualification..... mu suggestion is that if the moderators want to 'bend' the rules, at least make it as fair as possible....... my post is NOT a complaint...... (i don't participate for the win), it's for making tmc as fair as possible....
Galina53
@thabull, I perfectly understand why you it write. I know that you victories do not interest. It-has put of a principle. But to subtract from results of 7 points not correctly and I am not mistaken. Let's admit that Anu votes. In lists of its voting is not present mangotango,thabull,darina ... Him points do not change-59, but also you will be without change. In my opinion of a rule should be identical to all. Exceptions should not be. In this case theme by Anu has special conditions to the detriment of other participants of competition. It-not is correct. I think that Lia will consider it on the future.
thabull
yes galina..... but my points would not have been in anyway..... the -7 is to 'remove' the advantage for him because he didn't vote. If he had voted it is normal that the results wouldn't have been the same.... this is why i said 'as fair as possible'..... as i said, the roght thing is no vote= no participation.......... but sadly, i realize that only you and i seem to care..... where is everybody else to express their opinion? don't they participate? Don't they care about a contest that they are part of? seems that all they care is counting nymbers to get their badges.... or they are afraid that will upset someone and they will be loosing votes...... once again i'm very disappointed..... and we haven't heard yet what lia thinks about it.... probably, she haven't found the time to check the thread yet...... but the rest..... i see them posting in the tmc thread, but noone dares to express their opinion...... sad.......
Galina53
Alex! I am not surprised for a long time already that all are silent. Silence is more convenient. As at us speak "difficultly to sit on two chairs". If support your opinion can Anu and Lia will take offence. If to support the decision of Lia, you can will take offence. Therefore, silence - gold.

I do not understand your offer on 7 points. Why 7? You consider that 7 points will be destroyed by advantage concerning you. I can write to the answer that, 7 points can to me has not sufficed to take of other position. Though I do not think, that Anu has given them to me. laugh.gif

My opinion - of infringements of rules should not be under no circumstances. If you know that you can not vote - refuse participation in competition. Other variant should not be. It is impossible to adjust rules to the concrete participant. As it concerns other participants.
thabull
hahahahahahaha..... it's so funny galina..... we both agree, yet we write and write...... hahahahahahahaha..... -7 points make sense, but it's not the problem..... i never understood why lia accepted this thing in the first plce.... being away for sometime, i thought it was a new kind of rule...... anyway...... as for what you said about silence is gold..... you are so true!!!!!! hahahahahahahaha and it seems that this is the end of this issue....... nobody cares but the two of us..... i tried to help, but i guess m9 don't care about nokia or se themers any more...... hahahahaha funny thing.... this is sipposed to be a tmc discussion and nobody cares to check it out..... hahhahahaha
Galina53
Dear Alex! SILENCE IS GOLD is Russian saying. laugh.gif

The full version the Word is silver, and Silence is gold. byebye.gif
dar777ina
QUOTE (thabull @ Aug 21 2013, 06:53 AM) *
hi people
once again (after the results of tmc333) is very obvious that sometimes these results are unfair....... and i am talking about the fact that one of the winners didn't vote......
i know that he already gave notice about his absense (and i'm ok with that), but this doesn't change the fact that if he had voted, the results would probably have been totally different (he could even not take any of the top 3 positions).

i'm just having this talk here, not for the winner of tmc to "surrender" his medal... this would be very silly from my side and the winner's side since he already participated knowing that he would not vote...... (it's nothing personal with this m9 memeber. it's just that this case triggered the idea in my head)

but i'm writting to make a sensible suggestion..... when a participant notifies that he/she can't vote, then his/her entry will be valid, but will be starting the vote counting with -7 or -5 points depending on the number of the votes in each contest..... this way the voting doesn't really gets affected by the absence.....

i think it's a fair modofication..... don't you agree people?

what do you think Lia?
the same stands for the stc contests.......


I rarely check this thread Alex, but I agree with you. Voting results might have been quite different. Maybe the administration should not have to change the rules and make an exception this time.
Viola53
QUOTE (Galina53 @ Aug 23 2013, 07:02 AM) *
My opinion - of infringements of rules should not be under no circumstances. If you know that you can not vote - refuse participation in competition. Other variant should not be. It is impossible to adjust rules to the concrete participant. As it concerns other participants.


Totally agree with Galina! No exceptions to the rule should not be. If the contestant knows in advance that he could not vote, then do not take part in the competition. The contestant who did not vote disqualified. Until now, this was the rule at TMC, STC, WPC and other competitions.
I believe the results of TMC-333 unfair. But I do not write in order to change them, I do not want to change the results, but I think that in the future can not provide any benefits for the selected participants.
protsenko2006
Dear friends!

totally not agree with you! there are many objective reasons for which the user can not vote! Where, for example, I know I can vote or not in a week or two? I can at any time go on a trip for work. And more. I live in a place where the internet may work or may not work, and what then? Disqualify me?

In order to know exactly what I vote, this should be unemployed, do not have a family to be disabled and live in a big city with a good Internet.

But not all are, and to think about all!

I think that if a man wants to participate, so let involved.

the more that we are in competition not get millions, and enjoy fellowship! Why are you so worried? Defeated man, so be happy for him.

If a participant can not vote then let him write to the moderator. This is normal.

And the on results could affect the voting of those who do not participate. And there may be one and two or ten. No one will be able to know in advance.

I had one case where I did not vote and Lia wrote about it. But then nobody is paying attention, because I was not a winner.

thabull Alex, about 5-7 points I did not understand anything wallbash.gif
thabull
QUOTE (protsenko2006 @ Aug 26 2013, 01:44 AM) *
thabull Alex, about 5-7 points I did not understand anything wallbash.gif

well my dear tatiana..... it doesn't matter if i agree with you or not..... you have a good point on what you are saying...
this is why i suggested that the person who can't vote should be counted -7 points in his/her final result.... this way is like he/she voted for 7 points for all the rest and he/she looses the advantage he/she gets by not voting......

imagine that there is you, galina and i participating in the contest...
you give galina a 3 point and to me a 2 point
galina gives you a 3 point and to me a 2 point....
imagine that for some reason i can't vote.....
so the winner is me with 4 points and you and galina follow with 3 points each......
but this is not fair cause if i have voted one of you girls would have 6 points and the other 5.... and i would be still n 4.....
but (since the voting in the example is 3,2,1) if i had a -3 in my final result, that would make my points (4-3=1) 1....
this is closer to the "real" results and more fair......
protsenko2006
thabull I agree with your math.

But again, the vote is not only the contestants, but also many others, in any case, I do not think should change the rules.

And the rules clearly writte:

In case a participant cannot vote for some reason on the day of voting, please contact to the TMC manager in advance.

I think that it is right and fair!

Galina53, dar777ina, Viola53 carefully read the rules No violations of the moderator was not!
thabull
QUOTE (protsenko2006 @ Aug 26 2013, 02:37 AM) *
thabull I agree with your math.

But again, the vote is not only the contestants, but also many others, in any case, I do not think should change the rules.

so... you agree with me about -7 points......
(the example i gave was very simplified in order for you to understand the maths wink.gif )
protsenko2006
QUOTE (thabull @ Aug 26 2013, 02:55 AM) *
so... you agree with me about -7 points......
(the example i gave was very simplified in order for you to understand the maths wink.gif )


Alex,I just agree with your math.

Of course, if a person does not vote, someone else does not grab points. But everything does not take into account. Other vote, vote clones. And always will be.. I think the rules should not be changed
Galina53
Dear friends! Everyone has the opinion. But the one who knows mathematics, should understand that in case the theme participates in competition, and the person does not vote, this theme has privileges. In life can there will be all. Therefore there is very simple exit from a current situation. All of us trust Lia. Therefore, when the participant of competition warns that he cannot vote, would be correct, if Lia has voted instead of this participant. Then at a theme of advantages will not be. If the warning, then automatically transfers the right to vote. In this case, rules are not broken, other participants will receive voices. The balance is not broken.
Galina53
The duplicate
Galina53
The duplicate
thabull
@ protsenko..... ofcourse my dear.... mu suggestion was about the maths...... @galina...... i agree with this..... as long as we consider two things..... 1. Lia has not voted for herself....... 2. Lia won't vote for the theme of the participant that is absent
Galina53
QUOTE (thabull @ Aug 26 2013, 08:14 PM) *
@ protsenko..... ofcourse my dear.... mu suggestion was about the maths...... @galina...... i agree with this..... as long as we consider two things..... 1. Lia has not voted for herself....... 2. Lia won't vote for the theme of the participant that is absent


No, you have not understood me. Lia votes, if considers necessary itself and votes instead person who cannot vote. In her second list a theme of this person will not be. Other participants will receive voices which have not received this time. Balance normal.

The most important thing that Lia has agreed. laugh.gif
thabull
i understood perfectly galina...... but sometimes it's very hard for a person to vote two times without voting the same themes wink.gif the main issue though, is that we have given proper feedback to the moderators for thinking...... let them decide......
Galina53
QUOTE (thabull @ Aug 26 2013, 11:10 PM) *
i understood perfectly galina...... but sometimes it's very hard for a person to vote two times without voting the same themes wink.gif the main issue though, is that we have given proper feedback to the moderators for thinking...... let them decide......


Themes will be not the same. Lia wrote that she votes fairly. In the second list of a theme the participant who cannot vote will not be, even, if it the best at competition. It is equivalent to that you offer, only you suggest to take away, and in this variant is added voices to other participants. Anyway, we only search for the decision. If there is a possibility to improve why it not to make?
thabull
QUOTE (Galina53 @ Aug 26 2013, 12:28 PM) *
QUOTE (thabull @ Aug 26 2013, 11:10 PM) *
i understood perfectly galina...... but sometimes it's very hard for a person to vote two times without voting the same themes wink.gif the main issue though, is that we have given proper feedback to the moderators for thinking...... let them decide......


Themes will be not the same. Lia wrote that she votes fairly. In the second list of a theme the participant who cannot vote will not be, even, if it the best at competition. It is equivalent to that you offer, only you suggest to take away, and in this variant is added voices to other participants. Anyway, we only search for the decision. If there is a possibility to improve why it not to make?

well galina... if i asked you to voye two times, what would you be voting for? the first time you will be voting what you trully believe... but what about the second time? would you change some of your votes? or you would vote exactly the same removing the theme of the one who can't vote?
and if you changed some votes, why wouldn't you do it in the first place?
can you see now why i say it's hard? i hope it can work..... thi way is still more fair than a "no voting at all"
still, personally, i believe the the reduction of the final points is the most nutreal...

anyway.... i won't be arguing about the method..... it's really up to the mods if they will accept our proposal and in which way...... we are talking all this time and we haven't heard what Lia has to say about all these..... wink.gif
Galina53
@thabull, I will explain to you. If I vote fairly, in my list only the best works. I do not vote for friends, I do not vote against enemies. I vote for themes. But in my list there can be a theme of the person which has addressed with refusal of voting. In the second voting, I clean this theme and I put one more. Lists different.
thabull
QUOTE (Galina53 @ Aug 27 2013, 08:08 AM) *
@thabull, I will explain to you. If I vote fairly, in my list only the best works. I do not vote for friends, I do not vote against enemies. I vote for themes. But in my list there can be a theme of the person which has addressed with refusal of voting. In the second voting, I clean this theme and I put one more. Lists different.

not that different galina.... wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif only one theme is changed.... wink.gif
anyway my dear.... i don't really see why we are still talking... it's getting really boring for the people who only read this and they don't participate in this talk to follow. all these details are kind of needless.... nobody has assigned us yet the way to make the contests more fair... wink.gif
so the main points are:
we both agree that something has to be done for contests be more fair....
we made our suggestions...
now it's time for the moderators to talk... wink.gif

chunkyvic
You two guys have been going on too much about this for too long and it's getting very boring, I'm having to unsubscribe from this topic to cut down the ridiculous email notifications coming through.
thabull
QUOTE (chunkyvic @ Aug 28 2013, 01:36 AM) *
You two guys have been going on too much about this for too long and it's getting very boring, I'm having to unsubscribe from this topic to cut down the ridiculous email notifications coming through.

thanks for your kind words my friend.... seems you are so interest in tmc.... that much so u don't have an opinion... wink.gif

be well for your kind words.....

(don't forget that this topic is for people to communicate exchange ideas and thoughts about tmc... if you like fun and games which are much more interesting, you must definitely unsubscribe from here..... wink.gif )
chunkyvic
I used to enter the TMC every week without fail, that was when it was an enjoyable experience, theme design quality and imagination was much better also IMO, I was even considering a return but with the idiots I have witnessed here over the past week I don't think I will. Mobile 9 = 1.gif I'll find another hobby.

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