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idias_1
post Apr 4 2011, 06:15 AM
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Muslims believe Life after Death but not Reincarnation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)
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QUOTE (idias_1 @ Apr 4 2011, 07:15 AM) *
Muslims believe Life after Death but not Reincarnation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)


I don't know that Muslims believe that life after death. It's not my concern to make a war here. Just my belief.
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Girl friend, U choose fascinating topic...
I would like to read your research when u finish it...
I belive in life after death and riencarnation too...
I would like to copy the answer of Carlos, because he explain it in such a clear beautiful way....
I think we are energy Or u can call it soul, that each time dress another clothes and this clothes is our body.
I have no prove for it, but i belive in god and i have never see him.( so i have no prove for it too)
I read a lot of books about it, and right now i'm reading spiritied by Rebecca Rosen.
I'll try to find u the books name ( try to find the english name of it)
May be it can help u.
And i'm going to think about it ....if i'll have some brilliant idea i will write u again.
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QUOTE (Gatosuso @ Apr 4 2011, 02:20 PM) *
Well, there's no scientific evidence on either sense so it's all about personal choices.

In some cultures reincarnation is previous to that "life after death"... I mean, reincarnation is said to be a way to reach perfection, your spirit tries to reach it by the so-called "Wheel of reincarnations" (I don't recall how many times you can reincarnate, I think it was 9 but I'm not sure). Once you've completed the Wheel your soul is ready to reach the "Nirvana" ("heaven" for christians, "Valhalla" for vikings... every culture has a name for it). So you don't reincarnate forever, you finally end the wheel and reach what I think you're calling "life after death"... so reincarnation and the Judgement are the ways to reach that "second life", and so reincarnation is linked to life after death.

Anyway, all these theories are ancient ways of explaining all those things people didn't understand, and science tends to explain it all by energies and by the existence of more than 3 dimensions. There are still lots of things that can't be explained, and I'm happy with that since a little "magic" is still surviving and we really need it.

Knowledge stole my faith and I'd really love to believe in all those things. So that's why I don't believe in either option, and why I'd love to.



Carlos, this what we call "Parole sante" I read and reread what u wrote.....I love it.
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post Apr 4 2011, 06:47 AM
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first of all i'd like to thank u Enna for once again giving some important "food" to my brain....
well lets c waht we've got here... the eternal issue of devine and how it's expressed when it comes to life and death..... my beliefs are a bit strange. in general my answers to your questions are both "yes". they mix with each other, but they r "yes"....
reading the previous posts, i recon the christian way talking about the Judgement Day (where John's Apocalypse tells us all about) and the (forgive me if i'm wong in the origin) the buddist way of reincarnation (with karma etc....)
if u read careful all the opinions (from people that they believe that something is happening after death) u will realize that all say the same thing in it's raw form by giving to the same noun a different name.... the main point is once again "good" and "bad" (or "evil"....) it's yin yan (to add china in our converation too).
all civilazations and relegions since the beginning of time are in their main points similar....
somebody is talking about "good" people going to "heaven" and bad people going to "hell". somebody else says that good perfect souls leave our planet and the rest stay here for a second chance (even 3rd, 4th, 5th......). does it mean that earth is the "hell"?
your question is strictly connected with life.... and being born..... in fact it's all about the meaning of life..... (even monty Python didn't give a straight answer to that....)
perhaps we exist as a "substance" and sometime we get in flesh and blood in order to achieve the trasformation in a "substance" of a superior for than the one we came for.....
perhaps we originally exist as stardust and we try (through our presence in earth-hell") to become the substance, part of of the superior being or power or whatever anybody wants to call.....
perhaps we are in fact an "allien" form and our presence with human (or animal) form in earth-prison is our doing the time for crimes we have done. whne we find redemption in our eart bodies for our crimes we go back......
in any case, religious or fiction, we hang around in earth (or will be hanging around in the christian teaching) till we get good enough to move to a better place. thinking of this i understand that earth is not a so good place to be......

or all these are thoughts generated by "priests" since the first presence of man in earth, in order for the masses to be controled by the few? cause it's very convenient for the few to use "a higher being" preferably holly, or a final destination that in order to be achieved people must be "good"?

anyhow...... the truth is out there.......

p.s. completing moheeb's comment..... christianity say (in free translation) that when the judgement day comes all human, living and dead, will be judged. the righteous will go to heaven and the evil will go to hell. still everybody will die (with the meaning we use this word today), cause there is no way to be judged if u r alive. heaven and hell are places were souls or energy live.....
till today every human has died except one.... Elias.... he has drawn up to heaven. he will come back in earth during the anticrist rein, when he will also die... (we said that in judgement day everybody must be dead).....

p.s. 1 Rohan talked about the "Law of Conservation of Energy"..... he forgets though about entropy...... and that when energy is transformed it never can be transformed 100% to a single another form. there are always losses (usually in thermal energy). so a question comes to my mind (cause i like rohan's theory)..... what happens to that amount of energy that remains after a transform? and considering that population of earth is constantly rising, where does this energy comes from? (since the "law" says that no energy is lost and no energy is produced from "nothing")
just some "food" for your mind too.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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QUOTE (mohib-rameen @ Apr 4 2011, 02:17 PM) *
From my side, yes
After death, on the judgement day all the death ppl will alive again and than the Second life will start.
for great ppl there is a heaven and for bad there would be hell
and i am 101 % sure yes there is a life after death.


I totally Agree With U.
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I believe in "Reincarnation" because i have heard some stories about hypnosis, positive scientific tests, kids which knows so much about particular(unknown) dead person (or place where they have been living in their previous life...also the feel of -Déjà vu- (*meaning "already seen" as in "I've seen this all before").
But i don't believe in "life after death"(haven't heard any realistic facts about that)

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I believe in life after death and reincarnation,this is my personal view.I hope the following information helps you in some way enna,good luck for your speech.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Life After Death
According to Hinduism theory the body is made up of five elements, known as mahabhutas. These are earth, fire, water, air and ether. After the death of a person, elements of the gross body merges into the gross elements of the earth, which are basically the earth, fire, water and air, while the subtle bodies (Jiva constituting prana, manas and vignana ) go to the subtle or ethereal worlds along with the soul. After exhausting karma in each of these planes and shedding the respective bodies there, the soul returns again to earth with a few memories and samskaras of the life to undergo further evolution.

Heaven and hell are just two worlds, which are not necessarily the only places to which human beings go after death. Heavenly or Hell existence is not permanent. It is the karma which is the ultimate deciding factor and it is through karma a person moves in the labyrinth of worlds, till he or she is permanently released into the highest abode of God.

Reincarnation
Coming to reincarnation a soul reincarnates again and again on earth till it becomes perfect and reunites with it Source. During this process the soul enters into many bodies, assumes many forms and passes through many births and deaths. This concept is summarily described in the following verse of the Bhagavad gita:

"Just as a man discards worn out clothes and puts on new clothes, the soul discards worn out bodies and wears new ones."

A human being has to live many lives and under go many experiences before it attains perfection and becomes one with the Divine. The Hindu theory of creation suggests that creation begins when the individual souls becomes separated from the undifferentiated One. It continues as the evolution of life and consciousness in matter progresses. During this process some of souls journey back to God through the transformation of matter in which they were hidden. The remaining souls continue their existence and rejoin him in the end, not through transformation but through a process of great destruction. Thus the great cycle of creation, stretching over millions of years, comes to its logical end.

Depending upon the merits of the previous deeds, a being may evolve into higher life forms or regress temporarily into a lower life form. However, due to some peculiar circumstances, if an individual takes birth as a lower life form, he can still reverse the process. He can change his present actions and establish a basis for his forward movement again.

That the theory of reincarnation is not a mere theory, but an actual fact is being now established beyond reasonable doubt. Many instances have now come to light where individuals were able to recollect their past lives through a process of regression or by other means. The theory still baffles many, while many others refuse to acknowledge it because of intense prejudice.
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post Apr 4 2011, 08:36 AM
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omg!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wow.gif)

You guys have given such amazing descriptions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clapping.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/10.gif)

Although I stick to my belief, I'd still like to append some stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Here are some teachings of The Bhagvad Gita that are related to life after death and reincarnation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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"Na jayate mriyate va kadachin
Nayam bhootva bhavati va na bhuyaha,
Ajo nityaha shashwatoyam purano
Na hanyate hanyamane shareerey"

Chapter 2 : Quote 20


It means that "The Soul is never born nor it dies. It never takes birth, it never did, it never will. It is unborn and has been in the world since a long time. It does not die with the termination(death) of the body."

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"Vasansi jirnani yatha vihaya
Navin gruhati naroparani,
tatha sharirani vihaya jirnanya-nyani
Samyati navin dehi"

Chapter 2 : Quote 22


"Just the way we, humans, reject our old clothes and take up new clothes, the same way, the soul rejects the old and useless body and takes up a new and a better body."

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"Nainam chindanti shastrani, nainam dahati pawakaha.
Na chainam cledayantyapo na shoshayati marutaha"

Chapter 2 : Quote 23


"The soul can never be destroyed by weapons nor can it be burnt by fire. Neither can it be dissolved in water nor can it be sucked-in by the air."

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post Apr 4 2011, 08:38 AM
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Carlos, this what we call "Parole sante" I read and reread what u wrote.....I love it.
and happy to see u


I'm glad to see you liked my answer, and I'm very happy to see u too!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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p.s. 1 Rohan talked about the "Law of Conservation of Energy"..... he forgets though about entropy...... and that when energy is transformed it never can be transformed 100% to a single another form. there are always losses (usually in thermal energy). so a question comes to my mind (cause i like rohan's theory)..... what happens to that amount of energy that remains after a transform? and considering that population of earth is constantly rising, where does this energy comes from? (since the "law" says that no energy is lost and no energy is produced from "nothing")
just some "food" for your mind too....


That's a very good point. The Earth's population have been always increasing. If energy is supposed to remain constant, that means that there's a "Soul factory" somewhere creating new souls from other kinds of energy (otherwise there would be more people than souls), or maybe in the beginning a lot of spare souls were made, and they're waiting for their time to come to Earth stored like bullets in a gun. I'm not convinced by either of my own explanations so I'll give up on this one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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I believe in "Reincarnation" because i have heard some stories about hypnosis, positive scientific tests, kids which knows so much about particular(unknown) dead person (or place where they have been living in their previous life...also the feel of -Déjà vu- (*meaning "already seen" as in "I've seen this all before").


Yes, I've seen those documentaries too and I must admit I'm puzzled by them. I can explain a lot of these "phenomena" via physics or chemistry (déjà vu is a chemical malfunction in the brain that makes it feel like the incoming info isn't new, so you have that "already seen" feeling), but I haven't found an explanation for regressions.

I'm starting to think that maybe things are just as they seem, and our physical rules can't apply on things we aren't ready to understand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
We must bear in mind that we are just humans with a cartesian mind, educated in old rules of cause and effect and surrounded by things we can't even see. I think there are things that can't be explained with our limited minds and narrow way of thinking, and life would be very boring if there was an explanation to all mysteries...

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QUOTE (thabull @ Apr 4 2011, 07:47 AM) *
p.s. 1 Rohan talked about the "Law of Conservation of Energy"..... he forgets though about entropy...... and that when energy is transformed it never can be transformed 100% to a single another form. there are always losses (usually in thermal energy). so a question comes to my mind (cause i like rohan's theory)..... what happens to that amount of energy that remains after a transform? and considering that population of earth is constantly rising, where does this energy comes from? (since the "law" says that no energy is lost and no energy is produced from "nothing")
just some "food" for your mind too.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Great thoughts Alex (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clapping.gif) Now this one is a great point to ponder on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

By the way I did not forget about entropy, I just felt lazy and didn't mention it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hmmm...to think about it, and its just my thought, they say that people had heightened senses in the olden times and there are stories of deities having supernatural powers, for example, the Greek gods, Indian gods and other mythological figures. I think that with the increase in population, the powers got distributed among the living beings and now we have reached a point where nobody possesses any such powers because it has been diluted with the colossal census.

Now that I've re-read what I've written, it sounds loony (IMG:http://www.kailashnadh.name/gb/files/smileys/smiley-looney.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Enna i think this will help you lot.
Life after death According to Islam
Muslims believe that the present life is a trial in preparation for the next realm of existence. When a Muslim dies, he or she is washed and wrapped in a clean, white cloth (usually by a family member) and buried after a special prayer, preferably the same day. Muslims consider this a final service that they can do for their relatives and an opportunity to remember that their own existence here on earth is brief.

The question of whether there is life after death does not fall under the jurisdiction of science, as science is concerned only with classification and analysis of sense data. Moreover, man has been busy with scientific inquiries and research, in the modern sense of the term, only for the last few centuries, while he has been familiar with the concept of life after death since time immemorial.
All the Prophets of God called their people to worship God and to believe in life after death. They laid so much emphasis on the belief in life after death that even a slight doubt in it meant denying God and made all other beliefs meaningless.

The very fact that all the Prophets of God have dealt with this metaphysical question of life after death so confidently and so uniformly - the gap between their ages in some cases, being thousands of years - goes to prove that the source of their knowledge of life after death as proclaimed by them all, was the same, i.e. Divine revelation.

We also know that these Prophets of God were greatly opposed by their people, mainly on the issue of life after death, as their people thought it impossible. But in spite of opposition, the Prophets won many sincere followers.

Surely God will raise all the dead. But God has His own plan of things. A day will come when the whole universe will be destroyed and then the dead will be resurrected to stand before God. That day will be the beginning of a life that will never end, and on that day every person will be rewarded by God according to his or her good or evil deeds.

The explanation that the Quran gives about the necessity of life after death is what the moral consciousness of man demands. Actually, if there is no life after death, the very belief in God becomes meaningless or even if one believes in God, it would be n unjust and indifferent God, having once created man and now not being concerned with his fate.

Surely, God is just. He will punish the tyrants, whose crimes are beyond count - having tortured and killed hundreds or thousands of innocent people, created great corruption in society, enslaved numerous persons to serve their whims, etc., because man has a very short life span in this world and because numerous individuals are affected by one’s actions, adequate punishments and rewards are not possible in this life. The Quran very emphatically states that the Day of Judgment must come and that God will decide the fate of each soul according to his or her record of deeds:

But those who disbelieve say, “The Hour (i.e. the Day of Judgment) will not come to us.” Say, “Yes, by my Lord, it will surely come to you. [God is] the Knower of the unseen.” Not absent from Him is an atom’s weight within the heavens or within the earth or [what is] smaller than that or greater, except that it is in a clear register - That He may reward those who believe and do righteous deeds. Those will have forgiveness and noble provision. But those who strive against Our verses [seeking] to cause failure (i.e. to undermine their credibility) - for them will be a painful punishment of foul nature.
(Quran, 34:3-5)


The Day of Resurrection will be the Day when God’s attributes of Justice and Mercy will be in full manifestation. God will shower His mercy on those who suffered for His sake in the worldly life, believing that an eternal bliss was awaiting them. But those who abused the bounties of God, caring nothing for the life to come, will be in the most miserable state. Drawing a comparison between them, the Quran says:


Then is he whom We have promised a good promise which he will meet [i.e. obtain] like he for whom We provided enjoyment of worldly life [but] then he is, on the Day of Resurrection, among those presented [for punishment in Hell]?
(Quran, 28:61)



The Quran also states that this worldly life is a preparation for the eternal life after death. But those who deny it become slaves of their passions and desires, making fun of virtuous and God-conscious persons.

Such persons realize their folly only at the time of their death and wish to be given a further chance in the world but in vain. Their miserable state at the time of death, and the horror of the Day of Judgment, and the eternal bliss guaranteed to the sincere believers are very clearly and beautifully mentioned in the following verses of the Quran:


[For such is the state of the disbelievers], until, when death comes to one of them, he says, “My Lord, send me back that I might do righteousness in that which I left behind (i.e. in that which I neglected).” No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected. So when the Horn is blown, no relationship will there be among them that Day, nor will they ask about one another. And those whose scales are heavy [with good deeds] - it is they who are the successful. But those whose scales are light - those are the ones who have lost their souls, [being] in Hell, abiding eternally. The Fire will sear their faces, and they therein will have taut smiles (i.e. their lips having been contracted by scorching until the teeth are exposed).
(Quran, 23:99-104)


God states in the Quran about the events of the Day of Judgment:

Then when the Horn is blown with one blast, and the earth and the mountains are lifted and leveled with one blow [i.e. stroke] - Then on that Day, the Occurrence [i.e. Resurrection] will occur, And the heaven will split [open], for that Day it is infirm (i.e. weak, enfeebled and unstable). And the angels are at its edges. And there will bear the Throne of your Lord above them, that Day, eight [of them]. That Day, you will be exhibited [for judgment]; not hidden among you is anything concealed (i.e. any person or any secret you might attempt to conceal). So as for he who is given his record in his right hand, he will say, “Here, read my record! Indeed, I was certain that I would be meeting my account.” So he will be in a pleasant life - In an elevated Garden, Its [fruit] to be picked hanging near. [They will be told], “Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you put forth (i.e. literally, advanced in anticipation of reward in the Hereafter) in the days past.” But as for he who is given his record in his left hand, he will say, “Oh, I wish I had not been given my record, and had not known what is my account. I wish it [i.e. my death] had been the decisive one (i.e. ending life rather than being the gateway to eternal life). My wealth has not availed me. Gone from me is my authority.” [God will say], “Seize him and shackle him. Then into Hellfire drive him. Then into a chain whose length is seventy cubits insert him.” Indeed, he did not used to believe in God, the Most Great.
(Quran, 69:13-33)


there are very convincing reasons to believe in life after death:

1) All the Prophets of God have called their people to believe in it.

2) Whenever a human society is built on the basis of this belief, it has been the most ideal and peaceful society, free of social and moral evils.

3) History bears witness that whenever this belief is rejected collectively by a group of people in spite of the repeated warning of the Prophet, the group as a whole has been punished by God even in this world.

4) Moral, aesthetic and rational faculties of man endorse the possibility of the life after death.

5) God’s attributes of Justice and Mercy have no meaning if there is no life after death.




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Hey there Kewly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/byebye.gif) Well here is a summary of what wud i say:

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OMGosh you guys are awesome (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wow.gif)

@ Alex i know you vented out a bit today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wow.gif) perfect i can add it in my speech (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) one para wouldnt hurt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

@ Mohib , thanks a million BF (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wow.gif) thats super awesome (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

@ Topmanner WOW its simply perfect job (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

@ Rohan >>> a quick question are there more than one versions of Gita in your religion (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) thats amazing piece of info!

@ Carlos thanks for giving a different aspect of it and also that i can include it in my speech (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

@ Orietta thank you gf (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

@ Thump you are amazing , thank you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

@ povy thank you buds , is there any link to the proof (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) i want to study more before i speak (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Thank you all for helping me find my way (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wow.gif) i couldnt even write specific purpose but now i am very confident that i got alot to share , all becoz of you guys (IMG:style_emoticons/default/notworthy.gif)



it sounds supernatural isnt it Rohan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) but i have to share this with you all, in my medical class (surgical terminology) while doing neurology our professor said that near death ,due to chemical imbalance or neurons not working the person starts hallucinating, this is medical or scientific reason , but she said her mom (right before her death) told her that she is seeing god and pointing at him too. another girl from the class told when her grandma was dying saw a soul/spirit in the room too few minutes after that she died. also my great grandma before she died said she got food from an angel and that the food was from heaven (IMG:style_emoticons/default/surrender.gif) we all thought that its hallucination but all these incidents are similar in nature , as i was reading Bible , Koran all have it about life after death and the angels involved (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

so somehow i feel personally that it does point out to a life after the Earth/Universe ends , not just one life , its that correct (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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Hi dear,

Well i dont believe in such beliefs!
I respect others idea, but i dont think that we die and have a soul. We are made of matter and die as a matter!
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